The question “Why Don’t You Believe?” is often posed to me by most religious people whenever I discuss my rejection of god and religion. They bring up the same tired arguments each time, not realizing that I have (and others) answered them countless times before. But, after battling this question so many times, I have come to the realization that “Why Don’t You Believe” is not the proper question. The better question is, “Why Can’t You Believe?” Now this is a question that deserves more than just a laugh, but an entire article.
First, I would like to state my goal clearly and what exactly I am arguing against. If you read this blog at all, you will know that when I refer to god, I specifically mean the Abarahamic god. It is this god that I rejected, and so that is what I will argue against. I am also not attempting to argue against the existence of god, but rather I am arguing for the improbability of a Abrahamic god. My purpose here is give why I believe an intellectual person cannot be a theist, and more specifically, one who follows an Abrahamic god.
The Scientific Incompatibility is the main reason why I could never again believe in a theistic god. Biology has advanced to the point where, Evolution by natural selection is a fact of the history of the Earth just like the American Revolution. Its quite obvious that Evolution or something awfully similar took place, and is currently taking place as we speak (perhaps at a faster rate than ever before). The fossil record is very good evidence, but the Human Genome Project is overwhelmingly indicates some sort of common ancestry between species. We know that humans, like every other living species, evolved from common ancestors (either one or multiple), that the process was slow and gradual and given the amount of time, the improbable became possible. However, Evolution by natural selection only gets rid of a literal reading of the “holy” books. By Biblical literalist, I mean anyone who honestly believes that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old or that the world was created in 7 days (technically 6, as god rested on the 7th). So what about the more common, though also wrong, metaphorical reading?
The problem with the metaphorical is slightly different, and I believe it to be an even worse position. The first issue arises when one considers, which parts are metaphorical and which aren’t? There aren’t any doctrine based or well founded theological reasons to label one passage metaphorical and the next literal. People pick and choose which part they like based on modern sensitivity and common sense, but they do it on very tenuous grounds. The second issue is, if evolution is indeed true there are many complications that arise. Such as, 99.8% of the species that ever existed are already extinct, why such brutal wastefulness? Couldn’t god just cut to the chase and just start humans from the beginning? Why even create the dinosaurs if they were just going to be extinct a few million years later? Why create humans with organs that have no function (appendix)? Why watch the species that are the ancestors to humans die slow painful deaths for hundreds of thousands of years? Why wait 4 billion years to even consider sending down messages to illiterate, delusional fools in the Middle East? I challenge my religious readers who believe in a metaphorical reading of their Holy Book to think of answers for these questions, and when they can’t, think why you can’t, for it is part of the reason I can’t believe.
Those are, of course are just some of the issues with regards to biology and evolution, but there are many more associated with the other sciences. For when someone accepts some sort of theism, you are essentially rejecting the rest of modern science as well. Why create planets that cannot and will most likely never be suitable for life? Why create physical constants that if shifted ever so slightly can cause the only planet suitable for life to go extinct within seconds? That seems like an ever so cruel way to create the universe. Most good engineers often design products and structures with some flexibility… why couldn’t god do the same? Why create a planet that large portions of it aren’t even able to be lived on naturally, limiting humans even further (the so called prized possessions of god). Why create moons for planets that don’t allow for life? Why create a galaxy that’s heading in our direction and will cause our extinction if it doesn’t happen prior to it? So it seems to any reasonable and rational person that it is not god which created the universe and life, but rather humans which created god. Again, these are just a few unanswerable questions that religious folk must face, yet don’t (and so they remain religious).
If there were ever a “eureka” moment with regards to my change from a Muslim to an Atheist it was while I was in prayer. As a Muslim it is considered mandatory after the age of 16 that a male begin reading the daily five prayers. These prayers consist of constantly reminding god how good, merciful and awesome in general he is. Technically, at the end, you get the chance to ask for something you want, so it is not entirely about god. To me, this kind of activity is fit for a slave or a serf. Anyone who would willingly restrict their schedule by adding these five daily annoyances simply is a servile fool. The desire to be a slave is something unique about religion. It compels otherwise reasonable people to be a slave. With 1.4 billion Muslims, I don’t see how these people actually think “Allah” cares about each and every one of their insignificant wishes. Also, why does god need praise five times a day? Is god a bit hard on hearing and the repetition allows him to know for sure which ones are his followers? I will go one step further, god is deaf. For there is surely no god listening to the prayers of the faithful, yet servile flock.
The above paragraph is of course is targeted largely at Islam but the same is true about the other religions and their prayer schedules. The Jews pick Friday and Christians pick the day of Sunday (god has a three day weekend apparently) to get together and pray. I could think of many constructive things to do on a Sunday, and none of them involve getting down on my knees at a Church, Synagogue or Mosque. Also, I am skeptical of any god which requires its followers to constantly repeat some sort of chant of praise. The desire to be praised is something some humans get over, and yet this god has not been able to do it…pathetic.
Most religions make incompatible claims with each other. They don’t say, you can be a part Muslim and part Christian, or sometimes believe in Jesus and sometimes believe in Odin. Rather, they say, you must believe (fill in dogma or nonsense) and that’s final. This means, your concepts of morality and the cosmos are being controlled merely by the accident of your birthplace. If I were born to Christian parents, I might be a Christian, but why does that mean Jesus is more likely than Odin? The same question can be posed to every religious person. What is so special about their religion, and their place of birth that ONLY it gets to decide which is truth and which are lies. Another reason why this is interesting is because I have noted that Muslims argue against Christianity with usually the same reasons that I argue against both. What I don’t understand is why they don’t apply this same thinking to their religions, why do they think their religion is any different just because it was the religion of their parents or community. When they understand fully why they reject other gods, they will understand why I reject theirs.
With regards to reality, it doesn’t work like this “geographical belief set” that religions have put forth. Either evolution is true or it isn’t, and it makes no difference if you’re in Canada or India. The same should be true about a creator, either it exists or it does not, there really is little middle ground on this matter. So if one of these gods actually does exist, surely it is not something that changes due to your lattitude and longitude.
Every second, someone in the world is committing a crime. Every few seconds a child dies of starvation. Murderers walk free, and mass murderers are praised and elected as leaders of nations. The poor continue to suffer and are never able to create a better life for themselves, yet the rich dominate the world and spend more in a day than most make in a year (or even a decade). The gap between the rich and poor only grows, and the pain of poverty remains strong. We have rigged elections and criminals roaming the streets, ready to rape, murder and steal at any moment. Natural disasters kill innocent people, and wars kill even more. What kind of cruel creator would allow such injustice? Surely not a just or loving one.
The religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are truly man-made. Not just in the sense that it was humans that created them, but men in specific. In Judaism, one needs to only read the Torah to see the hatred of women, as the inferior sex. For Eve is born out a “bent rib” from Adam. She is created for the benefit and pleasure of Adam. It is she, who is more likely to be tempted and thus Satan targets her first. All of that bigotry without even leaving the book of Genesis. Leviticus also highlights the difference between male and female, for a woman who gives birth to a girl is twice as dirty as a woman who gives birth to a boy. With Christianity, why can’t Christ be born through the normal processes that a woman goes through? Why is the birth canal a one way road? Islam has an even more intense hatred of women. Women can’t even look a man in the eye who isn’t part of their family. A woman must be covered head to toe, and veiling her beauty because it can cause “temptation.” Oddly enough these religions think they are giving respect to women, when all they do is lay the groundwork for sexism and the hatred of women.
I define faith as, “belief without material evidence.” That is a concept that I will never, and never can agree with. How can one believe in anything without evidence? Why believe in the first place, why not just take a “neutral” or “undecided” stance instead? Some would counter with Pascal’s Wager, but how would one know which god to pray to? Personally, I believe in ideas or concepts, not because I would like for them to be true, or because they are comforting, but because there is good evidence to support them. If the evidence is pending or just not very good, then one should just accept that more research needs to be done and leave it at that. The rejection of faith is the fundamental core position of any free thinker, and thus it is the basis of my atheism.
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Most of the arguments in this article against the existence of an Abrahamic God are illogical. Many of the arguments provided use the Strawman logical fallacy. This article doesn’t make any sense. For example, what if God really is selfish and doesn’t really care for our well being? Then the arguments for justice and allowing people to suffer don’t hold here. The same goes for the arguments involving prayer and God not “getting over himself”.
I am not saying that an Abrahamic God would be selfish, but that there can be a variety of possible explanations to the doubts provided by this post. Creating the earth in 6 days is often interpreted by many religions to mean “6 periods of time”.
As for me personally, I consider the existence of a loving God highly unlikely. I just believe that there are better more logical ways to argue why the existence of a god is unlikely.
I do however hope that I am wrong about my belief that there is unlikely a loving god, because that would really suck to die and have that be the end of my existence.
Most of the arguments in this article against the existence of an Abrahamic God are illogical. Many of the arguments provided use the Strawman logical fallacy. This article doesn’t make any sense. For example, what if God really is selfish and doesn’t really care for our well being? Then the arguments for justice and allowing people to suffer don’t hold here. The same goes for the arguments involving prayer and God not “getting over himself”.
Hm. You begin by saying that the arguments against an Abrahamic god are illogical but then conclude by saying “what if this god really doesn’t care for humans” well…that would contradict the notion of an Abrahamic god. It wouldn’t however contradict necessarily the notion of a deistic god, but it would go directly against the notion of an Abrahamic god.
I am not saying that an Abrahamic God would be selfish, but that there can be a variety of possible explanations to the doubts provided by this post. Creating the earth in 6 days is often interpreted by many religions to mean “6 periods of time”.
In which case, your first paragraph is null and void. Logically, if the Abrahamic god is not selfish, an argument proving this god to be selfish would certainly be important. The six days thing is interesting, but again, there is no theological basis to take it metaphorically. More so, if that is the case, then the notion of the sabbath, a fundamental aspect of Judaism is pointless. It must mean literal six days for the sabbath to make any sense.
I would just like to add that the concept of the 6 periods of undetermined time creationism is found within the arguments from Old-Earth Creationist trying to explain the existence of million year old fossils.
Besides that… Moiz Khan… this article was fantastic. I separated myself from the LDS Christian religion years ago and became an atheist. It was very interesting to see the transition from a Muslim perspective for once. Thank you.
Ugh…the “six periods” defense drives me insane. If “days” no longer means days of the week, then the fact that Earth was created in six days is meaningless. If “days” equals some length of time, then the phrase has no relevance. That’s like me telling you that I can run 50 miles in 7 periods of time. Of course, there is SOME measurement of time which, when multiplied by 7, equals the amount of time it takes me to run 50 miles. But if you don’t know what that number is, who cares? I might as well say 20 periods or 30427 periods, its nonsense.
While most people apparently find it absurd that the Earth could be created in only 6 days, I think its amazing to think it would take that long at all. If God is perfect, then it shouldn’t take any time at all to create Earth, or anything. If God was any slower, he wouldn’t be perfect.
At any rate, none of this matters because science has definitively calculated the age of the Earth. The End.
religion needs to be described as a mental disorder, not necessarilya crime, but the more fervent the believer, the more you need to watch them and avoid their influences.
thank god for hindus. you never hear of them blowing things up and raising hell do you? thank god for that.
In the original Hebrew bibles it said nothing about the earth being created in seven days. it actually said ’seven periods of time’ seven days was an early mistranslation that was copied and recopied many times.
The notion of it taking 6 periods of time and one period of time for rest implies that god is bounded by both time and strength. God fails the omnipotence test.
I would not consider religion as a mental disorder. If it was, it would become very difficult to tell who is “normal” and to what extent.
I would rather define religion as an aspect of culture. It’s a set of rules of how we do tings. Such ready made rules that are dogmatized and are unquestionable served the elite of any society they developed in. It aims to make the social system stable and predictable. Someone up the discussion mentioned the suffering of the poor. From the point of view of a ruling class wouldn’t it be sweet if the opressed would blame satan, and believe in afterlife instead of demanding the right to pursuit happiness?
This may be far fetched, but with he current “economic crisis” I feel that it may be in someones very good interest to make the majority of people feel powerless, and belive in “afterlife” instead of trying to find out who is responsible.
While I consider myself a secular humanist and generally shun religion (I quit church in January), I also find fault in many of the theses here. I only wish that the absence of a god – Abrahamic or otherwise – is declared on more infallible grounds.
“The notion of it taking 6 periods of time and one period of time for rest implies that god is bounded by both time and strength. God fails the omnipotence test.”
“If God is perfect, then it shouldn’t take any time at all to create Earth, or anything. If God was any slower, he wouldn’t be perfect.”
The quotations above are arguments based on the assumption that instant delivery equals perfection. I guess that would be goal-oriented thinking. But even without saying “my mind is too vast for you to comprehend”, which seems to be a favorite for defending God, an opponent may say “perfection is in the process, not in the instantaneous installation of all life” and rebuke the previous claims. Thus God would not be bound by time nor strength, but CHOOSES to use the 6 days/periods for creation and 1 for resting.
Greetings from Lutheran Finland!
As for the suffering of the poor, natural disasters, and such, God put a curse on mankind and the earth in Genesis. Man was created with a free will and the ability to choose, and given a simple choice, he eventually made the wrong one. As a for the “few unanswerable questions,” I have faced those. Some of the answers stem from the curse I was just talking about. The others come pretty easily if you think for just a second, “What if this universe was created by an all powerful being for his glory?”
Just so you guys know the side of the coin from some one who has had his doubts, but still comes back to his belief in God.
Hi Moiz,
see this youtube video. Listen to it till the end.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E-_DdX8Ke0
(God Created the earth in 6 days ??
It just doesn’t make sense. It is not rational. …then we go into the all the reasons why it isn’t rational…
“As for the suffering of the poor, natural disasters, and such, God put a curse on mankind and the earth in Genesis. Man was created with a free will and the ability to choose, and given a simple choice, he eventually made the wrong one. ”
Our loving God gave two humans a choice not to eat from the forbidden tree which he practically dangled in front of their face in the first place.. then punished billions and billions of people afterwards for their first “sin”. nice.
“As a for the “few unanswerable questions,” I have faced those. Some of the answers stem from the curse I was just talking about. The others come pretty easily if you think for just a second, “What if this universe was created by an all powerful being for his glory?””
If you think for just a second, “what if there is no god?” then everything makes even MORE sense – we arent being punished/cursed for the first man eating some fruit a bajillion years ago, its just nature. all of your questions will make sense if you think about a world in which there is no god.
http://www.godisimaginary.com/video10.htm
think about these 10 questions and all of the rationalizations you have for them.
then think about these 10 questions in a world where you dont believe in god.
just watch the video, and keep an open mind.
With 1.4 billion Muslims, I don’t see how these people actually think “Allah” cares about each and every one of their insignificant wishes. Also, why does god need praise five times a day? Is god a bit hard on hearing and the repetition allows him to know for sure which ones are his followers? I will go one step further, god is deaf. For there is surely no god listening to the prayers of the faithful, yet servile flock.
There are so many questions and arguments/debates to be had over this article. But let me ask you this question.
Surely when you were a Muslim you knew the fundamental reason for prayer?
I really want to know… what Muslim scholarship if any did you study? Of any scholar?
If find you really really strange. Oh and more Science I do read the more I am convinced I am right.